“The average cost of measles cases and adverse events following vaccination in industrialised countries”

Can you tease out some facts in this study?

The article, as has been pointed out several times, is simply comparing what the CDC tells parents with the information the CDC provides to medical professionals. The information doesn’t agree. Why can’t the CDC provide the same information to parents as to medical professionals?

Do you have any comment on the actual content of the story?

If you want to debate herd immunity, I suggest you go argue with John, of whaleto who does deny measles herd immunity.

We don’t. In fact we published an article conceding that the measles vaccine does provide herd immunity: http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/11/vaccine-myths-round-two/

Insidevaccines takes a complex and subtle position on vaccination. You really need to read a wide range of our articles and start discussing the actual points being raised if you want to be taken seriously.

At the moment, I agree with Marconi. You are a troll and rather clumsy one besides.

Have a nice day.

Compare with the claim of up to 20% may be hospitalized presented by the CDC (quoted in the article above). According to their own numbers the hospitalization rate was .007 % back in the days when measles ran rampant and unchecked through the population.

These guys need to learn to keep their stories straight.

In 1963 the first Measles vaccine was licensed and it was the killed measles vaccine, not what they use today. It wasn’t given to many, which was a good thing, because it was eventually removed and wrought with problems.

In 1967, the live vaccine was given. This too was not used widely, and also wrought with problems.

The MMR was licensed in 1971. They have known since 1979 that the Measles component still has problems.

Herd Immunity?
During the 1991 US outbreak, over 1/2 of the deaths had been vaccinated and in immunocompromised people.

Germany doesn’t rountinely use the Measles vaccine. They found the risks for reactions too high.

Since the MMR is a LIVE vaccine, newly vaccinated children can shed the virus.

MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q…_uids=11858860
the vaccine virus was isolated in the throat, showing that subcutaneous injection of an attenuated measles strain can result in respiratory excretion of this virus.

MUMPS VACCINE VIRUS:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q…_uids=11163655
viral RNA was detected in four samples from three vaccine recipients, 18, 18 and 26, and 7 days after vaccination, respectively. Detected viral RNA was identified as the vaccine strain. Our data suggests that vaccine virus inoculated replicates in the parotid glands but the incidence of virus transmission from recipients to other susceptible subjects should be low.

“should be low” …but what do they really know??

Measles is a virulant illness. It will come and go in cycles as history has shown vaccinated or not.

It is also helps the maturation process in children. Many can make huge developmental milestones after having Measles. Did you also know that children who get Measles are often cured of their eczema. Same goes for psorasis. A child on dialysis will often improve. It also helps children with speech issues.

Measles wasn’t something we ‘feared’ in my generation growing up. Think about why it’s become a ‘fear’ today and why parents think they must vaccinate. What have they been told versus what they haven’t been told?

Only my eldest (5 years) recently got a single DPTaP due to an injury and concern over Tetanus.

I won’t argue about the data suppression, just that we don’t have good numbers as to whether Measles mortality would have continued to decline or if it had reached a natural level given our modern society. What if you could perform a test to determine which children would react negatively to the vaccine first? Would you support it then, or do you believe that vaccination in general just isn’t effective?

I don’t think any parent would argue with that analysis, and you have to make you own mind up as the government is suppressing data.

Then you factor in the fact over 50% of the measles deaths are vaccinated.

And the fact deaths are due to bad medical practice as Dr Donegan points out:

“Under normal conditions, healthy children do not die from or become disabled from the complications of measles and if they do, questions should be asked about their management.” —Jayne Donegan MB

I don’t believe for a moment 1 in 6,500 children die from measles. In 1967 there were 2 deaths per million population. Any statistic offered by well proven 200 year old compulsive liars has to be questioned, especially when they have a pecuniary and professional interest (hence the lies) in vaccination and making out measles is dangerous.

If that stat is true then it would be purely due to vaccination making the disease more dangerous. Either way not good for vaccinators.

If they are afraid of measles then let the homeopaths and naturopaths, or nutritional medical doctors take over, who aren’t, so we can all sleep at night and worry about something else.

Good decision about your kids and MMR, now you just have to dump the lot. Playing Russian Roulette with their life and yours (you can end up a 24/7 carer), for no benefit, isn’t gambling, it’s something else.