Comments on: Pertussis: Yo-Yo Stats http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/ A Forum for Parents from Parents Wed, 09 May 2012 01:05:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: vicky http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-21111 vicky Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:09:10 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-21111 I wish that I had known about getting a child tested for Pertussis. Looking back now, I could swear that my daughter had it a few years ago. No one else in the family had it but her, but she coughed so bad that she would throw up. This went on for days. While she never exhibited a seal-bark like cough, she did have violent coughing spasms. And the cough itself never subsided until a month later. While it did lesson and was not so violent. So I wonder now if that is what she had. I wish that I had known about getting a child tested for Pertussis. Looking back now, I could swear that my daughter had it a few years ago. No one else in the family had it but her, but she coughed so bad that she would throw up. This went on for days. While she never exhibited a seal-bark like cough, she did have violent coughing spasms. And the cough itself never subsided until a month later. While it did lesson and was not so violent. So I wonder now if that is what she had.

]]> By: Whooping Cough Vaccine – Doesn’t Work – GSK Says “We Never Bothered to Check” « ________________Child Health Safety_________________ http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-21080 Whooping Cough Vaccine – Doesn’t Work – GSK Says “We Never Bothered to Check” « ________________Child Health Safety_________________ Sun, 08 Apr 2012 11:52:41 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-21080 [...] An InsideVaccines blog entry about pertussis [...] [...] An InsideVaccines blog entry about pertussis [...]

]]> By: Michael http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-5583 Michael Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:13:57 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-5583 OK. I will. OK.
I will.

]]> By: Marconi http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-5578 Marconi Tue, 30 Nov 2010 03:47:35 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-5578 Ah yes, the old hoary Gangarosa. A study that had serious flaws with an incorrect reference with regard to the Japanese data quoted, amongst a whole other raft of fictitious factoids. On just the Japanese pertussis issue alone, when the correct reference was pointed out to the Lancet, along with the fact that Gangarosa deliberately chose an incorrect statistic, the Lancel refused to publish that information, or any other relating to Gangarosa's tripe. Such is the power of vested interests. Admin, don't get into discussions with trolls. Ah yes, the old hoary Gangarosa. A study that had serious flaws with an incorrect reference with regard to the Japanese data quoted, amongst a whole other raft of fictitious factoids. On just the Japanese pertussis issue alone, when the correct reference was pointed out to the Lancet, along with the fact that Gangarosa deliberately chose an incorrect statistic, the Lancel refused to publish that information, or any other relating to Gangarosa’s tripe. Such is the power of vested interests.

Admin, don’t get into discussions with trolls.

]]> By: admin http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-5561 admin Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:38:50 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-5561 Michael, Please look at the post above and my response. We were talking about pertussis. So why did you suddenly switch the topic to measles? Are you admitting that the pertussis numbers are utterly unreliable? That pertussis is misdiagnosed? That doctors are told to look for pertussis and the rates shoot up? Good. I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit to the facts. If you want to talk about measles, please go to one of our posts on the topic of measles (there are a few) and post your comment there in response to what we actually said. If you want to talk about pertussis, then please respond either to the points in the post or to what I actually said about pertussis. Thanks. Michael,
Please look at the post above and my response. We were talking about pertussis. So why did you suddenly switch the topic to measles? Are you admitting that the pertussis numbers are utterly unreliable? That pertussis is misdiagnosed? That doctors are told to look for pertussis and the rates shoot up? Good. I’m glad to see that you are willing to admit to the facts.

If you want to talk about measles, please go to one of our posts on the topic of measles (there are a few) and post your comment there in response to what we actually said.

If you want to talk about pertussis, then please respond either to the points in the post or to what I actually said about pertussis.

Thanks.

]]> By: Michael http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-5560 Michael Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:23:57 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-5560 With regards measles then, how do you explain this: 1. http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/content/cda-cdi3302k.htm In an outbreak of 25 cases of measles in Qld in Q1 2009, NONE of the cases were vaccinated. Also, referring to another outbreak, “The number of vaccine doses was known for 57 of the 78 cases, of which none had received 2 doses of a MCV, four (7%) had received 1 dose and 53 (93%) had received no doses: the remaining 21 cases were of unknown vaccination status” 2. http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-cdi3301c.htm During an outbreak in Q2 2006 in NSW, of the 33 children with measles, only 6 had received 1 dose of MMR, and the others none. None of the cases had received two doses Vaccination, it appears, protects! Only people not or under-vaccinated suffered from measles. Why were vaccinated people not diagnosed? Because they didn't get symptoms. But that's OK then if you don't vaccinate, because, as far as the CDC is concerned: "In the U.S., up to 20 percent of persons with measles are hospitalized. Seventeen percent of measles cases have had one or more complications, such as ear infections, pneumonia, or diarrhea. Pneumonia is present in about six percent of cases and accounts for most of the measles deaths. Although less common, some persons with measles develop encephalitis (swelling of the lining of the brain), resulting in brain damage." Brain damage is only rare. With regards measles then, how do you explain this:

1. http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/content/cda-cdi3302k.htm
In an outbreak of 25 cases of measles in Qld in Q1 2009, NONE of the cases were vaccinated. Also, referring to another outbreak, “The number of vaccine doses was known for 57 of the 78 cases, of which none had received 2 doses of a MCV, four (7%) had received 1 dose and 53 (93%) had received no doses: the remaining 21 cases were of unknown vaccination status”

2. http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-cdi3301c.htm
During an outbreak in Q2 2006 in NSW, of the 33 children with measles, only 6 had received 1 dose of MMR, and the others none. None of the cases had received two doses

Vaccination, it appears, protects! Only people not or under-vaccinated suffered from measles. Why were vaccinated people not diagnosed? Because they didn’t get symptoms.

But that’s OK then if you don’t vaccinate, because, as far as the CDC is concerned:
“In the U.S., up to 20 percent of persons with measles are hospitalized. Seventeen percent of measles cases have had one or more complications, such as ear infections, pneumonia, or diarrhea. Pneumonia is present in about six percent of cases and accounts for most of the measles deaths. Although less common, some persons with measles develop encephalitis (swelling of the lining of the brain), resulting in brain damage.”

Brain damage is only rare.

]]> By: admin http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-5555 admin Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:38:40 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-5555 Hi Michael, All of that would be much more impressive if pertussis could be easily, accurately and consistently diagnosed. All of the numbers you quote are based upon that assumption, which is untrue in all of these narratives. Do you really believe that doctors diagnose pertussis cases accurately in vaccinated populations? This year, with 10 deaths from pertussis in the U.S. we have the declaration of an epidemic. In, I believe, 2006, there were 39 deaths from pertussis and no such declaration. This year, however, there is a huge push to get adults vaccinated against pertussis... Hi Michael,
All of that would be much more impressive if pertussis could be easily, accurately and consistently diagnosed. All of the numbers you quote are based upon that assumption, which is untrue in all of these narratives. Do you really believe that doctors diagnose pertussis cases accurately in vaccinated populations? This year, with 10 deaths from pertussis in the U.S. we have the declaration of an epidemic. In, I believe, 2006, there were 39 deaths from pertussis and no such declaration. This year, however, there is a huge push to get adults vaccinated against pertussis…

]]> By: Michael http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-5548 Michael Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:39:13 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-5548 Hmmm.... what about this quote "During the 1970s, widespread concerns about the safety of the older pertussis vaccine led to a rapid fall in immunization levels in the United Kingdom. More than 100,000 cases and 36 deaths due to pertussis were reported during an epidemic in the mid 1970s. In Japan, pertussis vaccination coverage fell from 80 percent in 1974 to 20 percent in 1979. An epidemic occurred in 1979, resulted in more than 13,000 cases and 41 deaths" and this one "A study* found that, in eight countries where immunization coverage was reduced, incidence rates of pertussis surged to 10 to 100 times the rates in countries where vaccination rates were sustained. *Reference for study: Gangarosa EJ, et al. Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story. Lancet 1998;351:356-61." And of course this one... "In infants, it can also cause pneumonia and lead to brain damage, seizures, and mental retardation." Do you want your infant to have that risk? Lower the vaccination rate and all this could be yours! Hmmm…. what about this quote “During the 1970s, widespread concerns about the safety of the older pertussis vaccine led to a rapid fall in immunization levels in the United Kingdom. More than 100,000 cases and 36 deaths due to pertussis were reported during an epidemic in the mid 1970s. In Japan, pertussis vaccination coverage fell from 80 percent in 1974 to 20 percent in 1979. An epidemic occurred in 1979, resulted in more than 13,000 cases and 41 deaths”
and this one
“A study* found that, in eight countries where immunization coverage was reduced, incidence rates of pertussis surged to 10 to 100 times the rates in countries where vaccination rates were sustained.

*Reference for study: Gangarosa EJ, et al. Impact of anti-vaccine movements on pertussis control: the untold story. Lancet 1998;351:356-61.”
And of course this one…
“In infants, it can also cause pneumonia and lead to brain damage, seizures, and mental retardation.”
Do you want your infant to have that risk? Lower the vaccination rate and all this could be yours!

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]]> By: admin http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/14/pertussis-yo-yo-stats/comment-page-1/#comment-2335 admin Mon, 09 Aug 2010 02:33:30 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=84#comment-2335 Thank you, Patrick. I've updated the post with the new link. Thank you, Patrick. I’ve updated the post with the new link.

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