Comments on: Why Jab Children to Protect Adults? http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/26/why-jab-children-to-protect-adults/ A Forum for Parents from Parents Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:20:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Marconi http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/26/why-jab-children-to-protect-adults/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Marconi Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:34:15 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=108#comment-105 UNCDoc, welcome. Perhaps there was no comment, since the article relates to Hepatitis A, which any doctor can tell you isn't exactly the plague. Re your comments, there are two issues I see: 1) Are you saying that babies are given blood transfusion which have not been screened, or cannot be guaranteed to be cleared for Hepatitis B? It hought that didn't happen these days. 2) I'm puzzled as to why the assumption is that HPV is primarily an issue relating to sexual activity. Could you please go to Pubmed, punch in these numbers, read the articles and get back to us? PMID: 12791874 PMID: 16288396 PMID: 13679205 PMID: 11174573 PMID: 17133162 PMID: 8623809 PMID:10213899 PMID: 12002819 PMID: 8551271 Your thoughts on this would be interesting. UNCDoc, welcome.

Perhaps there was no comment, since the article relates to Hepatitis A, which any doctor can tell you isn’t exactly the plague.

Re your comments, there are two issues I see:

1) Are you saying that babies are given blood transfusion which have not been screened, or cannot be guaranteed to be cleared for Hepatitis B? It hought that didn’t happen these days.

2) I’m puzzled as to why the assumption is that HPV is primarily an issue relating to sexual activity.

Could you please go to Pubmed, punch in these numbers, read the articles and get back to us?

PMID: 12791874
PMID: 16288396
PMID: 13679205
PMID: 11174573
PMID: 17133162
PMID: 8623809
PMID:10213899
PMID: 12002819
PMID: 8551271

Your thoughts on this would be interesting.

]]> By: Jupiter http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/26/why-jab-children-to-protect-adults/comment-page-1/#comment-100 Jupiter Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:10:33 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=108#comment-100 Hey there, UNCDoc. Welcome! Part of the reason why they make some of the vaccines universal is because it's not worth it to the manufacturer to produce if they don't get a universal recommendation from the ACIP. Also, the way the WHO works out the vaccine price tiering is by mass production and sales in the developed world (primarily the US) which allows the manufacturing costs to go down enough to where the developing world can afford it. It's really in India and China where the HepB vaccine will have a great impact, but they couldn't afford it at all until millions of doses were sold here first. We talk about it a bit on this page: http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?page_id=66 Feel free to join our discussion forum, too. (it's a little easier to have a discussion in the forum format. ) http://insidevaccines.com/discussions/phpBB3/ Hey there, UNCDoc. Welcome!

Part of the reason why they make some of the vaccines universal is because it’s not worth it to the manufacturer to produce if they don’t get a universal recommendation from the ACIP.
Also, the way the WHO works out the vaccine price tiering is by mass production and sales in the developed world (primarily the US) which allows the manufacturing costs to go down enough to where the developing world can afford it.
It’s really in India and China where the HepB vaccine will have a great impact, but they couldn’t afford it at all until millions of doses were sold here first.

We talk about it a bit on this page:

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?page_id=66

Feel free to join our discussion forum, too. (it’s a little easier to have a discussion in the forum format. )

http://insidevaccines.com/discussions/phpBB3/

]]> By: MinorityView http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/26/why-jab-children-to-protect-adults/comment-page-1/#comment-99 MinorityView Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:23:22 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=108#comment-99 Hi UNCDoc, Welcome to insidevaccines. We are happy to host a range of opinions. I just want to point out that the article above is on mandatory Hepatitis A vaccination for children, not HPV or Heptatitis B. Hi UNCDoc,
Welcome to insidevaccines. We are happy to host a range of opinions. I just want to point out that the article above is on mandatory Hepatitis A vaccination for children, not HPV or Heptatitis B.

]]> By: UNCDoc http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/26/why-jab-children-to-protect-adults/comment-page-1/#comment-98 UNCDoc Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:18:53 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=108#comment-98 I'm frankly surprised that there is no comments on this particular posting. I am a neonatologist, with an autistic child, and a strong supporter of vaccination. However, there is a very good point being made here. In the neonatal intensive care unit, where I work, there is often reason to vaccinate for hepatitis B, often because of some of the smallest babies needing multiple blood transfusions, and therefore putting them theoretically "at risk", although I don't generally give it until they are at least 1800 gm in weight (which, in my world, is pretty good size). Also, it is important to give it when the mother is hepatitis B positive or unknown with high-risk behaviors. That being said, I don't believe that universal vaccination against hep B for children should be mandated. When they grow up and decide to enter a field where they are exposed to blood and blood products, such as medicine, then it can be mandated by their employer. The same goes with the HPV vaccine. It is spread by sexual activity, and is not going to be picked up in childhood (although there are certainly horror stories about sexual abuse cases presenting with HPV). Much of the force behind proposed mandates on HPV vaccines is sociopolitical, unfortunately. No one wants to be considered a person "at risk for HPV infection" and therefore getting a vaccine could be seen as almost a stigma. Therefore, the AAP, if which I am a supportive member generally, seeks to have every child get it, in true politically correct fashion. If we ever develop a vaccine for HIV, look for it to implemented in similar "everyone is at risk" fashion. Cervical cancer is a horrible disease, as is hepatitis, but I'm not sure that they should be considered in the same category as H. influenza, pneumococcus, polio, or rubella. I consider rubella of great importance mainly because of the fact that even the most sexually pure can catch it at the time of pregnancy, leading to devastating (and preventable with vaccine) effects on the developing baby. I'm new to this web site. Hopefully the conversations are reasonable and free from ad hominem. Thank you for allowing me to put forth my 0.02. I’m frankly surprised that there is no comments on this particular posting. I am a neonatologist, with an autistic child, and a strong supporter of vaccination. However, there is a very good point being made here. In the neonatal intensive care unit, where I work, there is often reason to vaccinate for hepatitis B, often because of some of the smallest babies needing multiple blood transfusions, and therefore putting them theoretically “at risk”, although I don’t generally give it until they are at least 1800 gm in weight (which, in my world, is pretty good size). Also, it is important to give it when the mother is hepatitis B positive or unknown with high-risk behaviors.
That being said, I don’t believe that universal vaccination against hep B for children should be mandated. When they grow up and decide to enter a field where they are exposed to blood and blood products, such as medicine, then it can be mandated by their employer.
The same goes with the HPV vaccine. It is spread by sexual activity, and is not going to be picked up in childhood (although there are certainly horror stories about sexual abuse cases presenting with HPV). Much of the force behind proposed mandates on HPV vaccines is sociopolitical, unfortunately. No one wants to be considered a person “at risk for HPV infection” and therefore getting a vaccine could be seen as almost a stigma. Therefore, the AAP, if which I am a supportive member generally, seeks to have every child get it, in true politically correct fashion. If we ever develop a vaccine for HIV, look for it to implemented in similar “everyone is at risk” fashion.
Cervical cancer is a horrible disease, as is hepatitis, but I’m not sure that they should be considered in the same category as H. influenza, pneumococcus, polio, or rubella. I consider rubella of great importance mainly because of the fact that even the most sexually pure can catch it at the time of pregnancy, leading to devastating (and preventable with vaccine) effects on the developing baby.
I’m new to this web site. Hopefully the conversations are reasonable and free from ad hominem. Thank you for allowing me to put forth my 0.02.

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