Close Encounters with the Vaccine Schedule

February 28, 2008 by
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baby-feet.jpgScene: A pediatrician’s office. Behind the desk is the doctor, a pleasant, middle-aged woman in a white coat. Seated in front of the desk are the expectant parents, prosperous, educated, self-confident, and, in the case of the woman, exceedingly pregnant.

Doctor: So, what questions did you have for me today?

Mother: We are concerned about the current vaccine schedule.* We know that babies should be protected from serious diseases, but the current schedule is getting…well, strange. (Pulls a scroll from her purse and starts unwinding it, reading off the schedule as she goes, and inserting comments) So, at birth, they want our baby to get a Hepatitis B vaccination. We both test negative and are not at risk for that disease.

Father: Does our baby really need that one?

Doctor: Why yes, it is recommended by the Centers for Disease Control.

Mother: (absorbed with her scroll and ignoring the doctor’s comment) And another Hepatitis B at one month of age, and then at two months things really get going: seven vaccines?

Doctor: (smiling in an almost laughable manner) It isn’t that many shots. We can put off the Hepatitis B shot to two months and give Pediarix which is HepB, DTaP, and Polio in one shot. Then the baby will only have to get three injections. The other injected vaccines are Hib and PCV. Rotateq is given orally. Plus, only giving one shot doesn’t always confer immunity into adulthood.

Father: (swallowing and looking a little nauseated). You want to give our two month old baby eight different disease doses in one day? Has this been tested for safety?

Doctor: Of course. Vaccines are the most thoroughly tested of all drugs.

Mother: (unrolling the scroll some more) At four months we get the same 8 vaccines that we did at 2 months. (She passes one end of the scroll to the father to hold) Aren’t most of these diseases pretty rare in the U.S. right now?

Doctor: Not all of them. And the vaccinations are the only thing keeping us from having major outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases. We cannot allow the vaccination rate to drop!

Father: Right. We are up to seventeen vaccines and the baby is only four months old. When was the last time you had 17 vaccines in four months, doctor?

Doctor: My vaccines are not the question here. We need to stay focused on what is needed for public health.  After all, vaccination helps develop their immune systems by giving them some challenges and it keeps serious disease low…that’s called establishing herd immunity. You don’t want to be responsible for causing an epidemic, do you?

Mother: No, of course not (looks worried). But this schedule is so intense. Couldn’t we spread things out a bit?

Doctor: You need to follow the recommended schedule. I don’t accept families who don’t vaccinate on schedule.

Father: (both parents are staring at her, incredulously) So if we don’t agree to follow this schedule then you won’t be our baby’s doctor? (Turns to his wife) Let’s review the rest of the schedule before we end the discussion.

Mother: (Looking at the scroll with trembling hands, it is hard to tell if she is angry or frightened). At six months you and the CDC want us to give our baby nine more vaccines. On top of a repeat of all the vaccines given at four months, you are adding an influenza vaccine because our baby will be turning 6 months during “flu season”.

Father: (quietly) Nine vaccines. (Looks down at the scroll and reads off the diseases/vaccines). Hepatitis B, diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, Hib, IPV, PCV, rotavirus, influenza. Doctor, I think I need to research these diseases some more…

Doctor: (interrupting) You can’t trust anything you read off the Internet, you know!

Father: (very quietly and with great force) Not even what’s on the Centers for Disease Control web-site, Doctor?

Doctor: Well…

Father: I just don’t feel comfortable giving our baby 26 vaccines in the first 6 months of his life.

Mother: (smiles at her husband and then unrolls some more of the scroll) I want to go through the rest of the schedule. At one year the baby gets 7 vaccines, 4 of them live virus vaccines, MMR which is for measles, mumps and rubella, plus VariVax, for chickenpox. The other 3 are Hepatitis A, PCV again and Hib again. Oh, I forgot the second dose of influenza which is supposed to go in there sometime between 6 months and 1 year.

Doctor: (she is looking angry now) Babies die of influenza, you know. And vaccine reactions are uncommon. Usually the only side-effects of vaccines are minor soreness at the injection site.

Mother: (continuing to unroll the scroll, looking very grim) I’m not going to look at the doses required to get into kindergarten, let’s just go through 18 months. Five more vaccines. Five more. Hep B, DTap again, IPV, Hep A and another influenza shot. For a total of 39 vaccines.

Father: We want to discuss a modified schedule.

Doctor: No, absolutely not. I’ve already told you that I will not have your baby as a patient in my practice if you don’t follow the schedule. The schedule has been carefully worked out, it is safe, it is recommended by the Centers for Disease Control, the American Academy of Pediatrics, it is approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

Father: Doctor, I think you’re forgetting that you would be working for us, not for the FDA, the CDC or the AAP. This has been a most enlightening discussion. Thank you for your time. (rolls up the scroll and hands it to his wife who returns it to her large purse. They both rise and start walking out of the office.)

Doctor: (aiming for the last word) It is irresponsible not to vaccinate your child for every imaginable disease!

Mother: (puts her hands protectively on her huge pregnant front) Thirty-nine vaccinations in 18 months? I don’t think so.

*Schedule outlined in the skit is from the CDC.

Comments

15 Comments on Close Encounters with the Vaccine Schedule

  1. keytohealth on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 1:40 am
  2. Like they say Mothers knows best. Just so you know here is the list of ingredients of the vaccines that could have been injected into the child’s blood by passing all of the safety systems of the body. All of these vaccine ingredients injected into the child by the time they are 18 months old. Keep in mind that the child’s DNA will be assaulted and transformed into a (Highbreed human?) – Detox ASAP!

    Hepatitis B
    Hepatitis B virus gene / yeast protein, Aluminum, Formaldehyde, Thimerosal (mercury derivative)

    DTaP
    Diphtheria, Tetanus Toxoids, & A cellular pertussis endotoxin, beef heart infusion/fetal bovine serum, aluminum, formaldehyde, Thimerosal (mercury derivative), phenol/phenoxyethanol, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80), dry natural latex rubber

    Polio
    3 types of live polio virus, magnesium chloride, amino acid, polysorbate 80, purified water, neomycin, sulphate, streptomycin, penicillin and monkey kidney cell cultures.

    Hib
    Diphtheria Toxoid, Tetanus Toxoid, Haemophilus influenza type b antigen, Neisseria meningitides serogroup B, Ammonia Sulfate, Aluminum, Thimerosal (Mercury derivative), Dry natural latex rubber

    PCV. Rotateq
    The above Vaccination is done twice. So by the time the child is 4 months old the child has received 17 vaccines. By six month another 9 more vaccines:

    Hepatitis B,
    Hepatitis B virus gene / yeast protein, Aluminum, Formaldehyde, Thimerosal (mercury derivative)

    DTAP = diptheria, tetanus, pertussis,
    Diphtheria, Tetanus Toxoids, & Acellular pertussis endotoxin, beef heart infusion/fetal bovine serum, aluminum, formaldehyde, thimerosal (mercury derivative), phenol/phenoxyethanol, polysorbate 80 (T ween 80), dry natural latex rubber

    Hib,
    Diphtheria Toxoid, Tetanus Toxoid, Haemophilus influenza type b antigen, Neisseria meningitides serogroup B, Ammonia Sulfate, Aluminum, Thimerosal (Mercury derivative), Dry natural latex rubber

    IPV,
    Produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol
    (antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B
    medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells

    PCV
    Aluminum sulfate, protein polysaccharides from 7 strains of strep. pneumoniae bacteria, diphtheria toxin, casamino acids, yeast extract.

    Rotavirus
    1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human reassortant viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium monophosphate,
    potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin sulfate, amphotericin B medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line

    Influenza.
    Egg or chicken protein, Influenza viruses, Neomycin, Polymyxin, Gentamycin antibiotics, Thimerosal, Betapropiolactone, Nonoxynol, Octoxinol9 viginal spermecide, Formaldehyde, Polysorbate 80. Triton X-100

    * By 6 month old the child would have received 26 vaccines. Now at One year old the child is schedule to get another 7 more vaccines:

    MMR = measles, mumps and rubella
    Mumps virus / chick embryo culture, Rubella virus / human diploid lung cells, Beef heart infusion / fetal bovine serum, Human albumin, Sorbitol/sucrose, Glutamate, Neomycin.

    VariVax = chickenpox.
    Varicella virus/ human diploid lung cells, Embryonic Guinea pig cell cultures, Beef heart infusion/ fetal bovine serum, Ammonium Sulfate, Glutamate, Neomycin

    Hepatitis A,
    Produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium)
    medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

    PCV
    Aluminum sulfate, protein polysaccharides from 7 strains of strep. pneumoniae bacteria, diphtheria toxin, casamino acids, yeast extract.

    Hib
    Diphtheria Toxoid, Tetanus Toxoid, Haemophilus influenza type b antigen, Neisseria meningitides serogroup B, Ammonia Sulfate, Aluminum, Thimerosal (Mercury derivative), Dry natural latex rubber

    * By the time is the child is 18 months old the child will have received 5 more vaccines

    Hep B
    Hepatitis B virus gene / yeast protein, Aluminum, Formaldehyde, Thimerosal (mercury derivative)

    DTap
    Diphtheria, Tetanus Toxoids, & A cellular pertussis endotoxin, beef heart infusion/fetal bovine serum, aluminum, formaldehyde, Thimerosal (mercury derivative), phenol/phenoxyethanol, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80), dry natural latex rubber

    IPV
    Produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol
    (antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells

    Hep A
    Produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium)
    medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

    Influenza shot.
    Egg or chicken protein, Influenza viruses, Neomycin, Polymyxin, Gentamycin antibiotics, Thimerosal, Betapropiolactone, Nonoxynol, Octoxinol9 viginal spermecide, Formaldehyde, Polysorbate 80. Triton X-100

    For a total of 23 shots with 39 vaccines. In my opinion children are being vaccinated to extremes with short and long term neurological complications that will require more pHarma drugs to correct the problem. (You hope and pray)
    http://www.vaclib.org/basic/vacingredient.htm

    You can also go here to learn more about vaccine dangers:
    http://www.squidoo.com/groups/vaccinationawareness

    To your health and success
    Robert

  3. Athena on Mon, 3rd Mar 2008 2:49 pm
  4. Great info!!

    Not to derail, I just need to put this out there.

    There is NOT antifreeze in vaccines, although this seems to be a popular comment lately for some reason.

    Here’s the breakdown.

    Antifreeze- is ethylene glycol. I have not seen ethanol glycol listed on one single ingredients list ever. What I have seen are:

    Phenoxyethanol is in DTaP, Hep A/B, Td, IPV but is not the same chemical makeup as ethanol glycol and is an organic chemical compound.

    EDTA (ethylene-diamine-tetra-acetic acid) which is an amino acid…also used as a preservative in the Rabies/Varicella vaccines.

    EDTA is also used in chelation therapy, dentistry, as an anticoagulant, and many other things…

    wikepedia has some interesting info on it also…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDTA

    The antifreeze thing is what I consider to be an “urban myth of vaccines” and started out of a misunderstanding of the ethylene chemical compounds (specifically EDTA)….not everything ethylene is antifreeze.

    Additionally, the formaldehyde used in vaccines is not the same as the formaldehyde used in building materials or the burial process…it is more similar to the amounts found in our bodies as metabolic byproduct of methanol. (However, IMO this doesn’t make it okay to add additional burden of 10% since we don’t know what it will do…but that’s another debate for another day!)

    Anyhow, one is a sythetic urea-formaldehyde resin used in building materials and the other is a naturally occuring substance. Since most people hear ‘formaldehyde’ and automatically think of stinky chemical plywood, it’s an easy mistake to make!

    Hope that helps! (Just don’t want anyone dismissing your excellent points because of a little bit of erroneous information.)

  5. MinorityView on Fri, 7th Mar 2008 10:50 am
  6. The material in pink was contributed by a concerned person who heard about our blog over on the Randi forums and made some suggestions. We appreciated the input and incorporated the suggestions as written. Thank you for the help!

  7. jdc325 on Thu, 13th Mar 2008 8:17 am
  8. So – a play on Vaccine schedules. What’s next? MMR – The Musical?

    About Us: Inside Vaccines is a group of citizens (scientists, authors, engineers, librarians, researchers, parents and grandparents) who believe that making an effective risk v. benefit assessment regarding routine immunizations is crucial. Our articles discuss vaccinations, studies and research compilations. We cite sources such as the CDC and JAMA. Our hope is that we are able to provide you with clear, concise data which will spur your own research and analysis. Read on!

    How does this blog post fit in with your aims? A work of fiction hardly seems appropriate in light of your stated goals. Where’s the data? You are using emotional arguments in an attempt to “tug at the heart strings” of concerned parents – not discussing research.

  9. Athena on Thu, 13th Mar 2008 8:31 am
  10. Quote: Our articles discuss vaccination […]

    The source for this schedule is the CDC. The stringent adherence to party line is AAP.

    Obviously the hope is that parents will begin to think about the recommended infant vaccination schedule. Perhaps research the risks and benefits a bit.

    If after reading the article a parent says “Yes, in my opinion, after doing my research I believe the benefits of vaccinating on schedule with all vaccines.” Fantastic!

    What is being discussed is the reality of many parents who are simply looking for information and attempting to make appropriate medical decisions for their children.

    In fact, parents who have personally had a discussion similar to the one portrayed would argue that this “skit” is in fact non-fiction.

    I don’t believe this article “tugs at the heartstrings” anymore than being told by authorities that not getting the chickenpox vaccine at the “appropriate time” can result in your child’s getting a skin-eating disease as a result of chickenpox complications.

  11. Oresme on Thu, 13th Mar 2008 8:45 am
  12. jdc325 – I wish the CDC’s vax schedule was a work of fiction, but it’s not. And the doctor’s statements might be anecdotal, but unfortunately they aren’t fiction either!

  13. MinorityView on Thu, 13th Mar 2008 5:08 pm
  14. Well! I didn’t realize that someone might thing we made up the vaccine schedule in the article, but I guess all things are possible. I’ve added a reference at the bottom to the CDC schedule of recommended vaccines. I wasn’t aiming for pathos actually. The clue is the “scroll” which the mom is unwinding. This article is a parody, but based mostly on the actual experiences of many, many parents in the U.S. jdc325: I strongly recommend a wider choice of reading material to aid you in telling the difference between pathos and parody.

  15. jdc325 on Fri, 14th Mar 2008 2:38 am
  16. “I wish the CDC’s vax schedule was a work of fiction, but it’s not.”
    The fiction I was referring to was the imaginary meeting between frightened parents and an angry, unsympathetic doctor. I’m sorry if you thought that I doubted the provenance of the schedule info.

    “And the doctor’s statements might be anecdotal, but unfortunately they aren’t fiction either!”
    So this is not a play, but an accurate report of an actual encounter between patients and doctor?

    The doctor is a caricature, surely? Reading the ‘stage directions’ to see how the different parties are represented certainly makes me think that the doc is a caricature.

  17. MinorityView on Fri, 14th Mar 2008 5:53 am
  18. Oh, we could have made the doctor much, much crazier and still have fallen short of reality. Here is a thread of parent’s experiences with vaccine promoting doctors: http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=446739
    Read the summaries (the thread is incredibly long) and then come back and tell us that we were exaggerating the doctor’s statements. I personally know someone whose baby was ejected from a pediatric practice at age 6 months because the parents wouldn’t vaccinate according to the standard schedule. This is the ONLY pediatric practice in the area, so parents who don’t want to follow the schedule either have to do without care for their children or go to a family practice doctor.

    It is fiction. If we had taken one of the actual encounters from that thread, most people would have laughed: “You are making that up. No doctor would say that! No doctor would act like that!” So we had to moderate our description.

    We are considering your suggestion for “MMR the Musical” although the first draft seems to be turning out as a tragic opera. Would you be interested in the role of Iago?

  19. Oresme on Fri, 14th Mar 2008 6:27 am
  20. jdc325 – Can I assume since you have not commented on any of our purely science-based articles that you take no issue with them? Are you merely disappointed that we have strayed from our impeccable style with this one skit? Perhaps it is a bit lighthearted compared to our many well-researched, well-referenced articles. Can’t we lighten the place up just a little bit every once in a while?

  21. MinorityView on Fri, 14th Mar 2008 10:55 am
  22. So I’m browsing a parenting site message board and one parent is talking about the doctor yelling at her because she hadn’t had her child vaccinated and another is commenting that it happens at the practice she goes to and she might have to find another doctor. Yep. We make this stuff up, just to make doctors look bad. If only.

  23. jules on Fri, 14th Mar 2008 2:40 pm
  24. “We are considering your suggestion for “MMR the Musical” although the first draft seems to be turning out as a tragic opera.”

    Sadly I agree.

    I gave up ped’s a long time ago. This type of scenerio is very real.

  25. fyrestorm on Fri, 14th Mar 2008 3:43 pm
  26. Okay…not a ‘play’ this actually happened to me:

    Ped : what do you mean you’re not getting the HIB vaccine?

    Me: I mean I’m not allowing you to give DD any vaccines

    Ped: But she’ll die if she doesn’t have the HIB vaccaine

    Me: You mean death is a remote possibility if she comes in contact with and contracrs HIB?

    Ped: No, I mean she’ll die without the vaccine

    Swear to god…she was actually that stupid.

    This is the same ped that insisted that all thimerisol was out of all vaccines (until I showed her the package insert for the vial in her own office

    oh, she also told me that the CDC has said that you can’t get autism from the MMR since they took the thimerisol out…yes, she actually said this…she had no idea that there was never thimerisol in the MMR.

    She then fired me…or I fired her…it was hard to tell which actually happened as I was rushing to get my DD the hell outa there.

  27. MinorityView on Fri, 4th Apr 2008 6:30 pm
  28. From David Kirby’s latest at Huffington Post:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/cdc-has-lost-control-of-t_b_95081.html

    “So the CDC now issues a written statement meant to soothe jittery parents, by saying that “the recommended vaccine schedule is flexible.” Such decisions, the friendly announcement said, “are best made in consultation with the child’s doctor, and parents shouldn’t be reluctant to have such discussions.”

    Of course parents shouldn’t be reluctant to have this discussion, but they are. I get nasty emails from some pediatricians, and the number-one complaint I get from them is that, because of people like me, they must now “waste” (their word, not mine) precious billing hours talking to layperson parents about vaccine science.

    These doctors’ hostility is palpable, (and they hopefully represent a minority of pediatricians). And while I cannot imagine ever consulting anyone of such temperment for medical care in the first place, many parents are simply cowed into silence. For them, the CDC suggestion to ask vaccine safety questions at a well-baby visit is laughable, if not risible.”

    jdc wrote: “Where’s the data? You are using emotional arguments in an attempt to “tug at the heart strings” of concerned parents – not discussing research.”

    Hey, are you still convinced that we made this one up? Well, we probably did. Sounds like there are many pediatricians who wouldn’t want to waste their time with the conversation. They’d just point to the door.

  29. MinorityView on Fri, 4th Apr 2008 6:33 pm
  30. Also, jdc, have you followed any of the 12 links incorporated into the article? Read any of the data which is made available in this article which is supposedly just tugging at heart strings…why would we include links to data if all we were aiming for was emotional arguments?

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