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		<title>By: llasidog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food allergies have increased due to vaccines 

I found the following statistics on various websites - 

AUSTRALIA: Australia has one of the highest allergic incidence rates in the developed world.
CANADA: Between 3% and 4% of Canadian adults, and nearly 6 % of children suffer from food allergies
GERMANY: The prevalence in children is 3 percent to 6 percent, but can be up to 30 percent in high-risk groups, such as children with eczema.
ITALY: An estimated 6 to 8% of the Italian population has food allergies.
JAPAN: about 7% of population had some form of food allergy.
MALAYSIA: about 30% of young children are likely to develop allergic disorders in the first five years of life.
SWEDEN: one out of 15 children with reported adverse reactions to food.
US: One in every 17 children under the age of 3 has food allergy. 

And really serious food reactions are not all that rare - “A study in Arch Intern Med 2001 Jan 8;161(1):15-2, Anaphylaxis in the United States: an investigation into its epidemiology, concluded with “The occurrence of anaphylaxis in the US is not as rare as is generally believed. On the basis of our figures, the problem of anaphylaxis may, in fact, affect 1.21% (1.9 million) to 15.04% (40.9 million) of the US population.” PMID 11146694″

So is this epidemic of food allergies mostly among young children caused by being too clean (hygiene theory - food allergies are unknown in undeveloped countries) in the last 5 years or something else?

1960 - children received on average one or two vaccines
1980 - children received 8-9 vaccines
1990 - children were routinely given 10 vaccines
2000 - Children now receive 33 vaccinations before they enter school
2007 - Children are now to receive 48 doses of 14 vaccines by age six and 53-56 doses of 15 or 16 vaccines by age 12. 

Vaccines contain an adjuvant that increases the body’s immune response to the protein in the vaccine. Something that the public and most physicians don’t realize is that the adjuvant can also contain a mixture of vegetable and animal oils that have a trace of food protein in them. This is a protected trade secret and does not have to appear on the package insert. The ingredients of many adjuvants can only be found by reading patents. What are these oils? Soy, sesame, peanut, wheat germ, corn, shellfish, fish, etc. 

Can a trace amount of food protein in a vaccine cause food allergy? Yes. This has been known since 1839, when the French physiologist Francois Magendie injected animals to create a food allergy to egg whites. 

The food industry has to label food that may contain trace amounts of peanuts or nuts but the pharmaceutical industry is exempt. Shouldn’t your doctor know if he is injecting a peanut-allergic patient with peanut oil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food allergies have increased due to vaccines </p>
<p>I found the following statistics on various websites &#8211; </p>
<p>AUSTRALIA: Australia has one of the highest allergic incidence rates in the developed world.<br />
CANADA: Between 3% and 4% of Canadian adults, and nearly 6 % of children suffer from food allergies<br />
GERMANY: The prevalence in children is 3 percent to 6 percent, but can be up to 30 percent in high-risk groups, such as children with eczema.<br />
ITALY: An estimated 6 to 8% of the Italian population has food allergies.<br />
JAPAN: about 7% of population had some form of food allergy.<br />
MALAYSIA: about 30% of young children are likely to develop allergic disorders in the first five years of life.<br />
SWEDEN: one out of 15 children with reported adverse reactions to food.<br />
US: One in every 17 children under the age of 3 has food allergy. </p>
<p>And really serious food reactions are not all that rare &#8211; “A study in Arch Intern Med 2001 Jan 8;161(1):15-2, Anaphylaxis in the United States: an investigation into its epidemiology, concluded with “The occurrence of anaphylaxis in the US is not as rare as is generally believed. On the basis of our figures, the problem of anaphylaxis may, in fact, affect 1.21% (1.9 million) to 15.04% (40.9 million) of the US population.” PMID 11146694″</p>
<p>So is this epidemic of food allergies mostly among young children caused by being too clean (hygiene theory &#8211; food allergies are unknown in undeveloped countries) in the last 5 years or something else?</p>
<p>1960 &#8211; children received on average one or two vaccines<br />
1980 &#8211; children received 8-9 vaccines<br />
1990 &#8211; children were routinely given 10 vaccines<br />
2000 &#8211; Children now receive 33 vaccinations before they enter school<br />
2007 &#8211; Children are now to receive 48 doses of 14 vaccines by age six and 53-56 doses of 15 or 16 vaccines by age 12. </p>
<p>Vaccines contain an adjuvant that increases the body’s immune response to the protein in the vaccine. Something that the public and most physicians don’t realize is that the adjuvant can also contain a mixture of vegetable and animal oils that have a trace of food protein in them. This is a protected trade secret and does not have to appear on the package insert. The ingredients of many adjuvants can only be found by reading patents. What are these oils? Soy, sesame, peanut, wheat germ, corn, shellfish, fish, etc. </p>
<p>Can a trace amount of food protein in a vaccine cause food allergy? Yes. This has been known since 1839, when the French physiologist Francois Magendie injected animals to create a food allergy to egg whites. </p>
<p>The food industry has to label food that may contain trace amounts of peanuts or nuts but the pharmaceutical industry is exempt. Shouldn’t your doctor know if he is injecting a peanut-allergic patient with peanut oil?</p>
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		<title>By: wallacesmum</title>
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		<dc:creator>wallacesmum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it looks like we may have a mismatch again this year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it looks like we may have a mismatch again this year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Flu shot for all of your children? Yes or no? - AmityMama.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flu shot for all of your children? Yes or no? - AmityMama.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in your family is getting enough vitamin D. Vitamin D is much more effective than any flu shot.   Does the Inactivated Influenza Vaccine Even Work In the Recommended Age Bracket?  Avoid Flu Shots With the One Vitamin that Will Stop Flu in Its Tracks &#8211; Articles    [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wallacesmum</title>
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		<dc:creator>wallacesmum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW,, as for the vitamin and supplement studies, I haven&#039;t read the studies, although I did read the article, so I can&#039;t really respond.  But in every study like this that I have read, the amounts given to humans that &quot;failed,&quot; following the successful animal trials, were nowhere near the body-weight equivalents of the murine studies.  There is lots of old clinical data that this stuff does work, not to mention a little common sense.  All the researchers have to do is an RCT that replicates that work, but this has yet to happen that I have read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW,, as for the vitamin and supplement studies, I haven&#8217;t read the studies, although I did read the article, so I can&#8217;t really respond.  But in every study like this that I have read, the amounts given to humans that &#8220;failed,&#8221; following the successful animal trials, were nowhere near the body-weight equivalents of the murine studies.  There is lots of old clinical data that this stuff does work, not to mention a little common sense.  All the researchers have to do is an RCT that replicates that work, but this has yet to happen that I have read.</p>
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		<title>By: wallacesmum</title>
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		<dc:creator>wallacesmum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think perhaps our parameters are different.  I am looking at immunology as it relates to management and prevention of disease.  I agree that a review of the table of contents of any major immunology journal does not reveal much about vaccines, but I think the popular discussion of disease is all about it.  I am thinking of the typical conversation in a pediatricians office.  

As for how you perceive my focus, that is my fault as I was trying to draw the conversation in a particular direction.  What I would like to do is to table the immunology conversation as it isn&#039;t really that related to this particular blog post and is, as you point out, a broad topic in its own right.  

What I want to come back to is the validity of the flu recommendation, given the effectiveness of the shot.  You mentioned about that the issue of nonvaxing parents not taking children in for care is &quot;valid,&quot; and I challenge that.  If the parameters of this particular study are constructed around necessary medical treatment, how is it a confounding factor that children not requiring this care are not being brought in for it?  Or, are all these children that are being brought in not in need of this care?

Secondly, does it really matter why the vaccine doesn&#039;t work, if it is the vaccine for sale?  In this study, for instance, it is a bad match that supposedly causes the problem (although I do find it very curious that the authors don&#039;t raise this point in their final paragraph - what is the hysterical obsession with non-vaxing families that these people have?), but that was the one they were selling, the one they were recommending that season.  Sure, we can say that both efficacy and effectiveness must be confirmed before we will vaccinate our children, but that is completely different than what the CDC says.  And you and I may be in a position to say &quot;screw the CDC, I&#039;ll make my own decisions about vaccines based upon the science,&quot; but most parents are not making their decisions that way.  For them, this vaccine doesn&#039;t work.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think perhaps our parameters are different.  I am looking at immunology as it relates to management and prevention of disease.  I agree that a review of the table of contents of any major immunology journal does not reveal much about vaccines, but I think the popular discussion of disease is all about it.  I am thinking of the typical conversation in a pediatricians office.  </p>
<p>As for how you perceive my focus, that is my fault as I was trying to draw the conversation in a particular direction.  What I would like to do is to table the immunology conversation as it isn&#8217;t really that related to this particular blog post and is, as you point out, a broad topic in its own right.  </p>
<p>What I want to come back to is the validity of the flu recommendation, given the effectiveness of the shot.  You mentioned about that the issue of nonvaxing parents not taking children in for care is &#8220;valid,&#8221; and I challenge that.  If the parameters of this particular study are constructed around necessary medical treatment, how is it a confounding factor that children not requiring this care are not being brought in for it?  Or, are all these children that are being brought in not in need of this care?</p>
<p>Secondly, does it really matter why the vaccine doesn&#8217;t work, if it is the vaccine for sale?  In this study, for instance, it is a bad match that supposedly causes the problem (although I do find it very curious that the authors don&#8217;t raise this point in their final paragraph &#8211; what is the hysterical obsession with non-vaxing families that these people have?), but that was the one they were selling, the one they were recommending that season.  Sure, we can say that both efficacy and effectiveness must be confirmed before we will vaccinate our children, but that is completely different than what the CDC says.  And you and I may be in a position to say &#8220;screw the CDC, I&#8217;ll make my own decisions about vaccines based upon the science,&#8221; but most parents are not making their decisions that way.  For them, this vaccine doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Back to you:</p>
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		<title>By: Science Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It seems to me that all the immunology “breakthroughs” are focused on vaccines these days.&lt;/i&gt;

This is actually the point I was making; you are focused upon vaccines so your perception of immunology research is skewed.  Just do a PubMed search for immunology and look at all of the papers generated that have nothing to do with vaccines.

As for vitamins and supplements, you may be interested in this:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/news-keeps-getting-worse-for-vitamins/?em
A considerable amount of research but not very favourable results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems to me that all the immunology “breakthroughs” are focused on vaccines these days.</i></p>
<p>This is actually the point I was making; you are focused upon vaccines so your perception of immunology research is skewed.  Just do a PubMed search for immunology and look at all of the papers generated that have nothing to do with vaccines.</p>
<p>As for vitamins and supplements, you may be interested in this:<br />
<a href="http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/news-keeps-getting-worse-for-vitamins/?em" rel="nofollow">http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/news-keeps-getting-worse-for-vitamins/?em</a><br />
A considerable amount of research but not very favourable results.</p>
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		<title>By: wallacesmum</title>
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		<dc:creator>wallacesmum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess.  I will be curious to see Marconi&#039;s response, too, since I suspect she disagrees.  It seems to me that all the immunology &quot;breakthroughs&quot; are focused on vaccines these days.  There does seem to be a whole lot more energy there than vitamin and nutrition therapy, for instance.  Why might that be, or do you disagree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess.  I will be curious to see Marconi&#8217;s response, too, since I suspect she disagrees.  It seems to me that all the immunology &#8220;breakthroughs&#8221; are focused on vaccines these days.  There does seem to be a whole lot more energy there than vitamin and nutrition therapy, for instance.  Why might that be, or do you disagree?</p>
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		<title>By: Science Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, not at all wallacesmum, I was addressing your question:
&lt;i&gt;And Marconi, would it be accurate to say that part of the problem with the whole vaccine program is that “immunology” has come to mean “vaccinology,”...&lt;/i&gt;

Of course vaccinologists are either immunologists or have a heavy basis in immunology amongst other disciplines.  What I was trying to state was that those, i.e. anti-vax pundits seem to think that the study of immunology only encompasses vaccine technology and that is not the case at all.  Does that make more sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not at all wallacesmum, I was addressing your question:<br />
<i>And Marconi, would it be accurate to say that part of the problem with the whole vaccine program is that “immunology” has come to mean “vaccinology,”&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Of course vaccinologists are either immunologists or have a heavy basis in immunology amongst other disciplines.  What I was trying to state was that those, i.e. anti-vax pundits seem to think that the study of immunology only encompasses vaccine technology and that is not the case at all.  Does that make more sense?</p>
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		<title>By: wallacesmum</title>
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		<dc:creator>wallacesmum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science Mom, I am a little confused by the immunology/vaccinology part.  Are you saying that vaccinologists should understand immunology, or that they do, implicitly?  Are you saying that it is a problem that immunology has become so focused on vaccinology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science Mom, I am a little confused by the immunology/vaccinology part.  Are you saying that vaccinologists should understand immunology, or that they do, implicitly?  Are you saying that it is a problem that immunology has become so focused on vaccinology?</p>
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		<title>By: Science Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Science Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wallacesmum, I don&#039;t care at all for the paternalistic recommendations that the CDC is prone to making.   They have become so politicised and that undermines their credibility; that is not to say that they don&#039;t have a lot of very good information, just makes it more difficult for many to obtain.

I will weigh in on your question to Marconi, if you don&#039;t mind.  Immunology is implicit for vaccinology for those that only know immunology from a vaccine-issue standpoint.   It is a vast discipline and there are so many new discoveries made and published, it is a shame if the study of immunology is pigeon-holed into one small aspect by some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wallacesmum, I don&#8217;t care at all for the paternalistic recommendations that the CDC is prone to making.   They have become so politicised and that undermines their credibility; that is not to say that they don&#8217;t have a lot of very good information, just makes it more difficult for many to obtain.</p>
<p>I will weigh in on your question to Marconi, if you don&#8217;t mind.  Immunology is implicit for vaccinology for those that only know immunology from a vaccine-issue standpoint.   It is a vast discipline and there are so many new discoveries made and published, it is a shame if the study of immunology is pigeon-holed into one small aspect by some.</p>
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