Comments on: Vaccine Myths Round Four http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/ A Forum for Parents from Parents Wed, 09 May 2012 01:05:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: admin http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-21315 admin Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:50:40 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-21315 You are quite correct, there was an earlier vaccine. It turned out that it caused a dangerous form of atypical measles and was quietly removed from the market. You are quite correct, there was an earlier vaccine. It turned out that it caused a dangerous form of atypical measles and was quietly removed from the market.

]]> By: admin http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-21314 admin Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:49:31 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-21314 You missed the point that nursing wasn't the life saver here either. Better living conditions, better nutrition and better sanitation made it possible for many more children to survive childhood illnesses. Except for diphtheria, which dropped in incidence over many years before the invention of vaccination, childhood illnesses continued to occur, but they became steadily less dangerous. Let us consider chickenpox. There was a period when this illness was considered quite dangerous and when it had a significant death rate. By the time a vaccine was invented, this period was roughly 100 years in the past. Many modern countries with excellent medical systems have not adopted this vaccine: Norway, Iceland, the U.K. and many more. All of these countries allow chickenpox to run rampant through their children... Until we have accurate information about the real risks and benefits of vaccines, yes, they are all suspect. You missed the point that nursing wasn’t the life saver here either. Better living conditions, better nutrition and better sanitation made it possible for many more children to survive childhood illnesses.

Except for diphtheria, which dropped in incidence over many years before the invention of vaccination, childhood illnesses continued to occur, but they became steadily less dangerous.

Let us consider chickenpox. There was a period when this illness was considered quite dangerous and when it had a significant death rate. By the time a vaccine was invented, this period was roughly 100 years in the past. Many modern countries with excellent medical systems have not adopted this vaccine: Norway, Iceland, the U.K. and many more. All of these countries allow chickenpox to run rampant through their children…

Until we have accurate information about the real risks and benefits of vaccines, yes, they are all suspect.

]]> By: admin http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-21313 admin Sun, 22 Apr 2012 02:40:15 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-21313 We don't actually claim that vaccines are ineffective. We are simply pointing out that the data doesn't support the claims that millions of lives have been saved by vaccination. Not even hundreds of thousands of lives. We don’t actually claim that vaccines are ineffective. We are simply pointing out that the data doesn’t support the claims that millions of lives have been saved by vaccination. Not even hundreds of thousands of lives.

]]> By: Euph Serpens http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-21307 Euph Serpens Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:36:49 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-21307 Thanks for linking to the Geoffrey Edsall paper - very interesting reading. I notice he also says "the best controlled studies available indicate that, in outbreaks occurring among intermingled immunized and nonimmunized populations, the diphtheria morbidity and mortality rates among the inoculated have been far lower than among the uninoculated." How do we account for that if vaccines are ineffective? Thanks for linking to the Geoffrey Edsall paper – very interesting reading.
I notice he also says “the best controlled studies available indicate that, in outbreaks occurring among intermingled immunized and nonimmunized populations, the diphtheria morbidity and mortality rates among the inoculated have been far lower than among the uninoculated.”
How do we account for that if vaccines are ineffective?

]]> By: Euph Serpens http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-21306 Euph Serpens Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:29:27 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-21306 How does this relate to the incidence of measles, diphtheria, pertussis etc? Obviously we have got better at nursing people with these diseases, hence the lower death rates, but what are the rates of disease per population? Were they affected by vaccination? Are all vaccinations suspect? Is vaccination as a medical procedure suspect, or just some vaccinations? Where is the line between medical intervention we approve of, and that we disapprove of? How does this relate to the incidence of measles, diphtheria, pertussis etc? Obviously we have got better at nursing people with these diseases, hence the lower death rates, but what are the rates of disease per population? Were they affected by vaccination?
Are all vaccinations suspect? Is vaccination as a medical procedure suspect, or just some vaccinations?
Where is the line between medical intervention we approve of, and that we disapprove of?

]]> By: maureeen http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-21304 maureeen Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:06:23 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-21304 There was a measles vaccine available as early as 1963. I recall many of my class mates lining up for it. Of course, there was a big outbreak in Los Angeles of measles at the same time. The 1967 vaccine was round two, and it was not required for another few years, as I recall. There was a measles vaccine available as early as 1963. I recall many of my class mates lining up for it. Of course, there was a big outbreak in Los Angeles of measles at the same time. The 1967 vaccine was round two, and it was not required for another few years, as I recall.

]]> By: EliminateVariables http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-1385 EliminateVariables Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:31:32 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-1385 I have gone through all the vital stats from CDC and have come to the same conclusion as the revealed graphs above. Notice most stats showing vaccines were responsible start at 1950 to present and fail to show previous drops recorded from as far as 1890. Also many of their graphs do not show references or citations and simply want the viewer to trust the statement simply because the author's name is followed by a Phd or MD. Question the science, read boths sides and make your own conclusion. It wins everytime! Great job IV...love the site too!!! I have gone through all the vital stats from CDC and have come to the same conclusion as the revealed graphs above. Notice most stats showing vaccines were responsible start at 1950 to present and fail to show previous drops recorded from as far as 1890.
Also many of their graphs do not show references or citations and simply want the viewer to trust the statement simply because the author’s name is followed by a Phd or MD.

Question the science, read boths sides and make your own conclusion. It wins everytime!

Great job IV…love the site too!!!

]]> By: admin http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-974 admin Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:09:47 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-974 Hi David, Sorry, we have our hands full writing our own articles. Taking on Wikipedia is beyond our time and energy range. Feel free to draw on our sources if you want to, however. We do provide citations or links to all of our data. Hi David,
Sorry, we have our hands full writing our own articles. Taking on Wikipedia is beyond our time and energy range. Feel free to draw on our sources if you want to, however. We do provide citations or links to all of our data.

]]> By: Davide Chiavegatti http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2010/02/28/vaccine-myths-round-four/comment-page-1/#comment-966 Davide Chiavegatti Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:42:18 +0000 http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=701#comment-966 Hello! Great job, I must say. Please take a look on Wikipedia, where other stats are reported. The pages on Wiki related to vaccines look a bit biased. Some example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DPT_vaccine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy Maybe you have a say on that. My warmest regards. DC Hello!
Great job, I must say.
Please take a look on Wikipedia, where other stats are reported. The pages on Wiki related to vaccines look a bit biased. Some example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DPT_vaccine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
Maybe you have a say on that.
My warmest regards.
DC

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